[One Caribbean] The Bizarre Story Of St Vincent’s Only Boeing 747

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[One Caribbean] The Bizarre Story Of St Vincent’s Only Boeing 747

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[One Caribbean] The Bizarre Story Of St Vincent’s Only Boeing 747
Nick John Whittle
June 25, 2019

Privately-owned airline One Caribbean Ltd has taken delivery of a 20-year-old B747-400. The airline plans to launch non-stop flights between its St. Vincent base and the Middle East, Africa and Asia.

One Caribbean is based at Argyle International Airport (AIA) on the island nation of St. Vincent and the Grenadines. It operates one Beech 1900D primarily for charter flights. The company is licensed to fly routes between St. Vincent, Bridgetown and the British Virgin Islands.

In what appears to be a courageous attempt to expand its operations One Caribbean took receipt of the ex-China Airlines B747 in May. The jumbo was the largest passenger airliner ever to have landed on SVG, according to AIN Online. You can watch its happy arrival in the video below:

SVG’s only jumbo

One Mile at a Time caught wind of the carrier’s Dubai objective from St. Vincent’s News784.

The 20-year-old B747 (registration N508BB) was ferried from Phoenix Sky Harbor to Argyle International on the 24th May this year. After China Airlines retired the plane in 2017 it was stored at the Southern California Logistics Airport in Victorville.

Despite the plane not having flown since it arrived on St. Vincent, space has already been made for a hangar to house the jumbo jet.
Argyle International Airport SVG

AIA is a new gateway to St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Opened in 2017 it now sees 55 weekly scheduled departures of which 49 are local flights operated by inter-island carrier LIAT. Ch-aviation reports that other flights to and from AIA are operated by Caribbean Airlines, American Airlines and Air Canada.

One Caribbean

According to News784 One Caribbean has received “full support” for their endeavor from Vincentian Prime Minister Ralph Gonsalves. He is quoted as saying,

“St. Vincent and the Grenadines would have its own 747 indigenous based airlines in the not too distant future. A group of Vincentian pilots and business people want to start a small locally base 747 service. It would link St Vincent from different airports, to which my government is going to give full support.”

The airline recently applied to the US Department of Transportation for a Foreign Air Carrier Permit. This ahead of the carrier’s launch of ad hoc charters to the US and, perhaps, non-stop flights to the UAE.

The ECCAA

One Mile at a Time reported this month that the PW4056-powered B747 had been on the ground “for several weeks” while its owners lobbied the Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority (ECCAA) to register the plane in St. Vincent.

One Caribbean already holds an ECCAA-accredited aircraft operator’s certificate for its Beech 1900D. However, the carrier’s plans to diversify have lagged due to the ECCAA’s apprehension about the registration of the jumbo.

Tempered approach

According to OMAT, the ECCAA acknowledges the aircraft is “physically in Saint Vincent and is scheduled to be de-registered.” However, the authority also admits it is treading carefully because it has not registered a B747 before.
Argyle International Airport building

The ECCAA will recall problems associated with its 1998 registering of a DC-10 for defunct carrier Skyjet. Despite the DC-10’s addition to the Antigua and Barbuda registry, the aircraft was based in Belgium and was leased to other carriers.

Four years later the FAA decided that the proxy arrangement contravened its protocols. As a consequence the FAA removed the ECCAA from its list of Category 1 authorities. AIN Online says that, with this in mind, the ECCAA is taking a “two-step approach” to re-registering St. Vincent’s B747-400.

“We are discussing the whole plan with the FAA,” said Capt. Paul Delisle, ECCAA’s flight operations inspector. “We want concurrence with the FAA on all matters relating to N508BB’s potential SVG certification.” In step two the ECCAA plans to employ suitably trained inspectors to certify the aircraft.

Should One Caribbean’s plan to fly between St. Vincent and Dubai come to fruition it could herald a dramatic turn around of the island nation’s crumpled fortunes.

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That joke of a SVD 747 that is going to "change the world"...

Man tell mih that SVG registered the 747 "8P ERI" - in Barbados, where the reason Barbados will NEVER get category One is that the CivilAv Authority is a Department of the Ministry (NOT a CAA - a political arms-length Authority) and performs as a side circus of the ever-changing, ever-in-chaos Keystone Cops (we know them as politicians). So the joke has come full circle, and - as usual - nobody is any further ahead and in fact we might all be substantially behind.

(No Category One - like the St. Vincent ECCAA has - also means no direct flights to the USA).

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What the heck! have they lost their mind?

A B747-400 operation out of St. Vincent & the Grenadines by One Caribbean? that will last a few weeks/months at best, that just is ridiculous, what investor invested in this? Not a bright investor that is for sure, and not anyone who knows the airline industry.

A money laundering scam? That is all I can come up with, another BVI Airways scam?

Prime Minister Gonsalves (aka "Comrade") has lost his mind, he says his government will back it? Poor St. Vincent & the Grenadines? Which has no money for such a scam, and SVG taxpayers will cover it? It may lose more money than LIAT.

I am floored by this, as there is no business case here, it will bankrupt the government as this aircraft will cost what, $20,000 per flight hour, so they will burn maybe $15,000 per flight hour or more, who will fly to Dubai from St. Vincent? It is poor and Dubai is expensive, and with an annual GDP of $US 7,827 per capita in St. Vincent, it has NO chance of success, bad location, no viable business model, and bad aircraft.

At $20,000 per FH, SVD-DBX is 6,445nm or 14:15, or $285,000 one-way, $570,000 round-trip! So 52 weekly runs for US$30 million a year?

Stinks, maybe an aircraft for the rescue of President Maduro in Venezuela? Or just take out gold/diamonds before it collapses?

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https://onemileatatime.com/st-vincent-certifying-747/

St. Vincent Struggling To Certify Strange 747
June 24, 2019
Ben (Lucky) 9

Well I’m happy that I’m not the only one who isn’t sure what to make of this…

Several weeks ago I wrote about how a 20+ year old 747-400 touched down in St. Vincent. The plane used to fly for China Airlines, and the plan is now for it to be based in St. Vincent. The airport is apparently making space so that a hangar can be built for the plane.

The plane hasn’t flown since then, but apparently the airport has provided space for a hangar to be built for the plane.

Apparently some foreign investors are behind this, and their plan is to start flying the 747 nonstop between St. Vincent and Dubai, which is one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever heard — it makes Baltia’s business model make sense, by comparison (yes, even that time they modified their business plan to start service BALtimore, Trenton, Islip, and Albany).

The plane has been on the ground for several weeks now, so what’s the latest? Well, apparently the owners of the plane are looking for the Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority (ECCAA) to register the plane in St. Vincent.

Unfortunately that’s causing a problem, because the ECCAA doesn’t really know how to do that. The ECCAA has oversight of six air operator’s certificates (AOCs), 14 airports, and 41 aircraft, but none of those are large commercial jets.

The flight operations inspector for the ECCAA has confirmed that the aircraft is “physically in Saint Vincent, presently being de-registered and they have applied to put it on the SVG register.”

However, since the authority has never registered a 747 before, they’re cautious about doing so. He says that the ECCAA is “discussing the whole plan with the FAA,” since they initially certified the plane type.

The reason they’re being so cautious here is interesting. 21 years ago the predecessor to the ECCAA allegedly certified a DC-10 for a company called Skyjet. The aircraft ended up being based in Belgium, even though it was registered in Antigua and Barbuda. The FAA took issue with this, and this caused the FAA to take away their Category 1 rating, which is a big deal.

I can’t wait to see how this whole St. Vincent 747 situation unfolds… will the plane eventually just be flown somewhere else, or will it just park there until it decomposes? Because there’s no way they’re serious… right?

(Tip of the hat to Brian G)

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https://www.newsamericasnow.com/caribbe ... report-21/

CARIBBEAN BUSINESS AND FINANCE REPORT
July 11, 2019
By NAN Business Editor

News Americas, BRIDGETOWN, Barbados, Fri. July 12, 2019: Here are the top business stories making news from the Caribbean for this week of July 12, 2019.

St. Vincent and the Grenadines

The Eastern Caribbean Civil Aviation Authority (ECCAA) is reportedly consulting closely with the FAA over a request by charter operator One Caribbean to put a 21-year-old Boeing 747-400 on the register of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines (SVG), according to AIN Online.

The 747-400 was originally operated by Taiwan’s China Air Lines but went into storage at Victorville, California, in October 2017 with the U.S. registration N508BB. Soon after One Caribbean flew it to Saint Vincent’s Argyle International Airport and on May 24, the aircraft’s owners asked ECCAA to re-register the aircraft.

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Yes, the big B747-400 has been moved at Argyle International Airport from the jetway, as the "mickey mouse" operation had no tow bar for the aircraft, so it was done by truck and lots of rope! Really classy operation!

Now, registered in Barbados, is a joke, the country is an FAA Category 2 state, and has one aviation inspector person in its Civil Aviation Department (CAD) who knows zip about big jets, such antics will keep Barbados in Category 2 for a long long time.

Is Barbados is now a de-facto offshore aircraft registry, where local CAD accepts any aircraft on its 8P registration?

Where is the oversight? And now it looks like One Caribbean, the Vincentian airline with 1 x 1900D and now a B747-400, will register it's 3-4 new Saab 340's in Barbados as well, which means it can't fly direct to the US, and it means passengers should avoid it, as oversight and safety is highly questionable on the airline. Self-oversight? Really?

Does One Caribbean plan to compete in the Eastern Caribbean with LIAT?

LIAT is in a fight for its life, governments no longer have money to cover its cash burn.

Barbados wants to sell its 49% but no one has the cash, not even Antigua & Barbuda, everyone 'hoping' for something? "Hope is NOT a Strategy"!

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Tomas Chlumecky ("Aviation Doctor") Author International Aviation Executive, Entrepreneur and Advisor

Get the background to this "fiasco" read my previous article:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/st-vince ... chlumecky/

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Tomas Chlumecky ("Aviation Doctor") Author International Aviation Executive, Entrepreneur and Advisor

https://news784.com/local-news/st-vince ... -barbados/

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